I see the sunlight shining between the fence slats. It varies significantly from the "old" formulation in several ways. I wish I could do it this year as my Brandywine is already producing large enough suckers to use clones. It's intuitive. But your defense of your friend is admirable. My garden demands my attention lately so I have been devoting a bit more time to it than the FR redo. Overall, I do tend to think that the people at espoma do know what they are doing and there is reason for the new formulation. I have been silently following this very useful and fun thread. They aren't static and they multiply if conditions are right. If you are one that wants to publish a valid scientific study on this topic, why not see if you can find a corporate sponser and have at it. In any event, I have 4 plants Big Beef, Celebrity, Carmello, and Dona that I fed with mixing equal amounts of the Old and New Tomato-tones together - - and they are all doing great. I dont know if all of you guys have been reading some of the soil test results coming back to people but here is my take on them. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------, "Ray is obviously taking many precautions to obtain good anecdotal evidence that can be taken or left by the readers. All 10 plants have been treated identically since the time the seeds were planted ... same starter mix, same potting up mix, same fertilizer, same watering, same sunlight ... indentical. I'll post results of my CornTainers and other crop progress on other GW threads, but will not post on this related thread again until I have meaningful empirical data of actual results later this season. ?Honestly trying to learn but having a hard time of it. In DC--they have Tomato Tone -- 18 lb for ~$22. Otherwise, I for one would like to see the attacks on methodology stop. I am really sorry to be saying it, but it is what it is. of soil). Good eye! More complicated answer: Fick's law. ;) That's why he looks a little different. I NEVER claimed my experiment was a clinically verifiable trial. I dunno.. just have fun with it! What hydrology would cause the Microbes to buck the flow and swim "upstream" trying to move counter-flow to get to the other side of the mechanical divider, diving down 12 inches, swimming through the wicking basket, and up 12 inches again to the other side. I look EXACTLY like that - - after a bottle of DeLoach Chardonnay..... Ray, you were right about this thread being a spirited discussion. With so many rounded corners, it is tough to measure exactly how this sink should fit. (Suggested in the thread.) I wasn't meaning that the microbes would go through the water resevoir, but right through the barrier in the soil. Some people (as the thread has clearly shown) will look at side by side results and take it at face value, and immediately go into a tizzy about the company 'watering it down'. Congratulations on the beautiful baby! This is why top dressed fertilizer moves into the root zone. Generally speaking to draw reasonable conclusions from an experiment as many variables as possible need to be controlled for. Keep it going Ray!!!Kat. Raybo, your photos and experiments inspire me. One has tomatoes, it was the first of my plants to get a tomatoe, and the other has blossom drop. Best & Worst LGBTQ-Minded Food Brands to Work For in 2019 What would be said then if the side with the old brand still out performed the side with the new on a "consistent" basis (more than one or two tests). I don't understand how 2 plants could be so differant. The reason for pointing out that it is not clinical isn't to criticize, it is meant to remind people not to take the results as gospel. Please keep us posted about the experiment. All very valid points you bring up if the objective is a clinical comparison between the Old Tomato-tone and the New. True, folks are free to draw whatever conclusions they wish. Just watching last Saturday's Saturday Night Live and the first skit with the crazy Target cashier showed a customer buying Espoma Plant-Tone and then the crazy Target lady commenting on it (called it a big bag of feces).. lol. However, the Fox Farm fertilizer is 100% organic and the old tomato tone got a generous amount of it's nutrient from synthetic sources which become water soluble fairly quickly once exposed to moisture. I think there should be more than one pair as well. I have the same problem this year again, can't find any 18lb bags of Tomato-Tone locally, so I'll be using Plant-Tone … I do find this height more comfortable to use although it took some getting used to the new height in terms of visual appearance. What hydrology would cause the Microbes to buck the flow and swim "upstream" trying to move counter-flow to get to the other side of the mechanical divider, diving down 12 inches, swimming through the wicking basket, and up 12 inches again to the other side. We need more like you here. We appear to be on different "wavelengths", as I have never made any comment on side-dressing corn, as you imply. I have a very small garden with raised beds (~250 sq ft total growing area), planted very intensively. The one on the left had Fox Farms Tomato Fertilizer, and the one on the right had Tomato-tone: Well, I was fat, dumb, and happy thinking I had "found" my ultimate fertilizer in Tomato-tone and "BAM!!" I know for me, I was thoroughly enjoying the updates and was able to differentiate between an anectdotal trial and peer reviewed scientific study. 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